Self-care, Manifestation, Fitness, & Bufo with Marine, Mycal Anders

Mycal Anders is the quintessential ex football player and retired marine. He is now a successful entrepreneur, public speaker, cross fit gym owner, and Next Level Performance coach, but there's something really unique about Mycal... he takes pride in both the divine masculine and the divine feminine in his humanity. He is the perfect guest to chat with during this month's theme of self-care, because if a rough and tough dude like Mycal Anders can celebrate taking great care of himself, then we all can.

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Jaclyn Steele: 0:58

Hello, hello hello and welcome to self worth with Jaclyn Steele today on the podcast we have a very special guest. His name is Michael Anders. I know him because he went to college with my husband at the Air Force Academy and he is one of the most incredible people. I'm going to share some of his bio with you now before we get into our incredible conversation. Michael Anders is the founder of next level performance consulting and he has coached over 3700 leaders since 2011. Michael is a performance consultant Marine Corps veteran husband and father of two beautiful children. As a Marine Corps veteran with 20 years of strategic leadership experience backed by multiple graduate degrees from Arizona State and Thunderbird School of Global Management. He realized the plight of leaders people of influence and high achievers is losing themselves in the pursuit of momentous achievement. You guys can you relate? In 2011 Michael founded next level performance consulting to build the fittest leaders by optimizing their health and making themselves a priority again. As a performance consultant. He utilizes physical fitness as a gateway to unlock leaders boundless potential, and create space to be present for the things that matter, health, wealth, relationships, and time. Michael's vision is a world in which leaders show up as the best version of themselves, living in abundance and fulfillment. Founder of next level coach and public speaker Michael has been featured on the radio X podcast Barbell Shrugged Jim Lord's day to waive Paradise Valley lifestyle magazine Team Red, White and blues, the eagle podcast and he is a regularly featured speaker for Charles Schwab and Amazon. You guys, are you ready to meet Michael Anders, I am so excited to share this conversation with you. Let's get rolling. Today on the podcast, you guys, you're gonna have such a treat. I have my friend and somebody who inspires me regularly. Michael Anders on thank you so much for being here.

Unknown: 3:09

I'm pumped. Thanks. I'm honored to to be here with you. We've been taught we've been dancing around this for quite some time. You know, on the on the verge of this next epic journey to talk about epic journeys. Yeah,

Jaclyn Steele: 3:25

well, it seems like every time we all get together, we launch into what's happening in the present moment. So when we think about like future recordings, or all of the other things that we've talked about planning, it's easy to forget about because I feel like our friendship and our friendship with our spouses, the four of us, we are uniquely present. And in the moment when we are all together, which I just I value that so much about you guys. It's rare. It's really rare.

Unknown: 3:55

It's rare. And it's to be cherished. I know that from where Nicole and I sit, any opportunity we get to be with you guys and hold space is just absolutely incredible. And you know that that circle with that kind of energy is very small. And at this point in our lives, intentionally curated,

Jaclyn Steele: 4:25

which I want to talk to you about. On the podcast, we're talking self care, and I think curating your circle is such a huge part of self care. Not only that, you wrote a book called inner circle, right? Yeah, which is about this curation. So can you touch on that and why you think it's so important that we edit who we share space with?

Unknown: 4:52

Yeah, I call it auditing your circle. And what I've noticed is, you know, throughout the years, I've just been really blessed in my my training career with client longevity. And as we start to explore the human experience beyond looking better naked and getting off blood pressure medicine and stuff like that, you know, the conversation just very naturally, in my experience has segwayed into like this, this bigger, like what it is to be happy, fulfilled and successful simultaneously. Yeah, and I've definitely had the the opportunity to train folks who were successful and absolutely miserable, and but more, more clients that were successful and happy and accomplishing their mission and doing the incredible things that they do while living their best life. And one of the common threads that those people that quote unquote, had it all. Were living their best lives and achieving high levels of success. They were extremely like I almost Geez, what's the word I'm searching for right now, just cutthroat with, with who they let in their circle. If you weren't, if you're not present tense because it's an active practice, if you're not able to engage in a conversation that is moving the needle projecting forward, talking about a bigger mission being a better version of yourself. They're just not interested. You know? Who care who cares about Monday Night Football? How many lives are we changing?

Jaclyn Steele: 6:48

Ah, yeah. That could be a pull quote right there. Who cares? Night Football,

Unknown: 6:55

you know. And I love football. You know what I mean?

Jaclyn Steele: 6:59

Well, you're a football player. You were football? Yeah.

Unknown: 7:01

I mean, totally. Football is very much a part of my journey. However. It's like, you know, tell me about your next big adventure. Tell me about that. Tell me about what you're building now. Like these these very progressive conversations? And like, if we don't have to talk about all the time, you know what I mean? Sure. But it, it's it's more so the willingness and the ability to go there. If you don't have it, we need not engage.

Jaclyn Steele: 7:32

Yeah, yeah. Well, and you guys, both you and Nicole, your wife, Nicole, you guys are so great at holding space. So I know you want to live on that. I always relate it to frequency like we all you, me, Sam, Nicole, we all want to vibrate on this high frequency on the daily, but you're not afraid to be vulnerable or to hold space, or to talk about the deep shit

Unknown: 7:56

are important. I cry out.

Jaclyn Steele: 8:00

And we and we all do. And it's great. But the overall theme is we have high vibrational conversations. And I mean, us, obviously, but also the people in our inner circles. Yeah. How do you because I know now people are going to be going, I'm going to start thinking about who's in my inner circle? How do you gracefully edit. I think that has been part of my problem, personally speaking from experience, because while I am very willing to have direct conversations with people, I have had leaky boundaries in the past where I'm like, well, but that person really need some love right now. And I have some love to give. How do you be cutthroat about it?

Unknown: 8:46

Well, I'm gonna give you I'll give you two examples, one in the professional context, and one of the personal context. And I'll start with the personal. So as next level evolves. And since I've been out of the Marines in this entrepreneurial space, one of the things that I figured out over the course of the last decade is I don't need to fire anybody. I've never I've actually, I've only fired, like said, Hey, you can't work here anymore. Two of my staff ever, twice in two hours. Wow. Everybody else that has left opted out, they got off at their stop. And what I figured out was, and this is this will segue into the person on here in a second. Instead of firing people for the inability to perform or breaking the rules or not, you know, abiding by our core values, or any of that other esoteric stuff, they teach you in business school. I just continue to raise the standard. And when they decide that they no longer want to evolve with us, it's okay to leave. I've made it I've made it a cultural norm within our organization that when is your time to get off the bus. I fully support that because you have you've gotten what you needed from this experience, whatever that is.

Jaclyn Steele: 10:17

It's an energetic exchange, where the energies no longer match. So instead of it needing to be a big conversation or something that causes people pain, right, it really is just a shifting of energies and people naturally like spin out of the orbit, so to speak. I love that

Unknown: 10:35

and where that filters into the personal side of things. I just did a talk about this at the Leaders Forum and I was so proud of it because it landed for everybody in the room. And in that when you're auditing your circle, one of the things that I think going back to your your, the energy of it all If you feel inhibited reluctant or just outright scared to share your big vision with somebody, they don't need to be in your circle.

Jaclyn Steele: 11:08

Oh, that is that is a great set of standards

Unknown: 11:15

is I want and then you know beyond that before you judge them against that they're in here. Here's the caveat when it comes to personal responsibility. When you feel that before you just shit CanAm and kick them to the curb, you have to ask yourself, why is this a trigger for me? Why am I afraid? Why am I reluctant? Right? Why do I feel inhibited to share this, this big vision with this person? Right? And through that exploration? You got to get to that next piece? Right? You can't just identify that you've been triggered. I think that's where we all make the leap and mess things up prematurely.

Jaclyn Steele: 11:54

That's such a good note. It's true. Yeah.

Unknown: 11:57

Once you identify the external stimulus, now you have to look inward and identify, where's that conflict within me? And and why does it exist? And then, you know, one of the, the Maxim's of my life is controlling what I can control. stoic philosophy. And if I can't manage this situation, I definitely don't want to change this person. Right. But you know, in all of my relationships, and I feel like I'm kinda like, circling around this thing. But I'm always asking myself as it pertains to relationships, whether it's me and my wife, you and Sam. Right? Anybody? I'm in business dealings with any of my friends past, present, or future? Right? I'm always almost constantly asking myself, am I serving them? And are they serving me? And that doesn't, that's not like, you know, are they able to do me a favor? Or you know, is, Can I get something out of them? No, that's not what I mean by service. Am I a value add to them? Are they a value add to me? Does their existence in my life, make them a force multiplier of any kind? To my energy, am I better, am I a better version of myself with them than I would be without them. And the magnitude of that influence dictates where they are in any in any given circle.

Jaclyn Steele: 13:33

It makes perfect sense. And it also makes perfect sense on when somebody is brave enough to do that. How they can then get to the next level, much, much faster, because they're not bleeding energy, and all of these boats that have leaks in them, so to speak, to me with that metaphor. So in order to get to this place of self awareness, which obviously you got a lot of self awareness, and it takes a lot of work to get to that space. I would put that under the self care umbrella. Yeah. And it may be uncomfortable sometimes. But we have to care for ourselves sometimes by doing uncomfortable things, and we have to get comfortable with the discomfort. Yeah. So what are what are some daily rituals, weekly rituals, monthly, even yearly, that you have put into practice to get you into a headspace where you are constantly evaluating the output of energy, energy versus the input of energy and how it makes you feel, and how it gets you to the next level?

Unknown: 14:41

So I'm, I'm a huge advocate for servant leadership. Yeah, there's there's a saying in the Marine Corps that if you put any two Marines in a room, one of them's in charge. Right. And, you know, by by that philosophy, you know, I look at it from a perspective of influence, right? In sales, they would say that you're either doing the selling or you're the one being sold, right? You're either being the influence or you're being influenced, right? That exchange is happening all day long and human interaction, right. And, you know, in the position that I'm in the visionary for this organization called next level. My entire existence right now, in this season of life is dedicated to the service of others. I mean, they're growing my coaches. I'm growing my children, right. I'm growing with my wife, right? Literally, I spend all day

5: 15:48

30am to 730 at night. What is that? 14 hours I spent 14 hours a day giving to others, right, my energy has it My energy is going out. Yeah. Right, that's a lot. So. So a couple of things that I do to protect that energy, make sure that the cup is full enough to manage that output. I wake up at four 430 in the morning, it doesn't matter that I get up at four o'clock in the morning, right? It's just a statement of fact. And I get 60 to 90 minutes of Michael time, it's when I do my reading, it's when I do my journaling, it's when I do my, my reflection, my expression of gratitude, I identify, you know, am, am I living in alignment with our big goals, right. And I do well, I do all of that over a cup of coffee, in the first 60 to 90 minutes of my day. Then the rest of the day is, you know, Nicole, kids, clients, coaches, right. And once a week, I check in with my mentor, who very swiftly and very efficiently kicks me in the balls, you know, that, and, you know, exposes me to blind spots tells me hard truths is extremely encouraging as to where we're going and supportive of how we're going to get there, all all of those things. But, you know, and physical fitness is obviously a huge part of my practice as well, taking managing the vessel. That is Michael. And so all of that is in my daily and weekly practice. And then the reason I'm able to get up before four o'clock and before 430 In the morning, is you know, I'm I'm winding it down between eight and nine o'clock. Yeah, so I'm getting I'm getting my, my seven, eight hours of sleep. You know, there, you know, too many people focus on what time they wake up and not enough,

Jaclyn Steele: 18:01

not what time they

Unknown: 18:04

it doesn't. Eight hours is eight hours. It doesn't matter where it exists on this side of the sun or not. And there's just

Jaclyn Steele: 18:13

something so magical about the morning. And the quiet of the morning. The earlier it is I find the more peaceful I feel.

Unknown: 18:23

You know, it's like I tell people that I make all my money in the morning. Yes. Yeah. And it doesn't have any. It doesn't have anything to do with income generating activities. No, you know?

Jaclyn Steele: 18:37

Sorry,

Unknown: 18:38

no, that's okay. The most productive the and significant part of my day, in terms of me get providing me the ability to show up as the best version of myself, for my people. is in that first 60 to 90 minutes.

Jaclyn Steele: 19:01

It makes perfect sense. I agree with you. Yeah, my morning routine is the game changer. If I skip over it. I feel like I'm on defense all day rather than being on offense.

Unknown: 19:15

And then I'll tell you definitely want to put a caveat in here. You have to figure out where that time exists for you. Where it is, doesn't matter as much as the fact that it exists at all. And I think you know, if you look at all the influencers out there that are like, oh, yeah, get up at four o'clock in the morning. You know, the Jocko willings of the world. The Oh my God, what's his name? The dude who runs all the ultras, the Navy SEALs can't hurt me. Oh, yes, yeah, David, David, David Goggins, you know, stay hard. You know, like those guys, the agitates of the world. I think there's a lot of value to his message. There's they're, they're very dogmatic in what works for them. And I think that if you're if you're, if you're lacking awareness or you're, you're ignorant of why it works for them. It may not work for you.

Jaclyn Steele: 20:29

Hmm. I love that you just said that.

Unknown: 20:33

So it doesn't matter where that 60 to 90 minutes and it might be more it might be less, but But you have to have it. You have to have it. It is literally it is I'm batting 1000 on this on the people that are the people of influence in my life. That you know, present any of those alive Even principals in the inner circle that have been humble enough to graced me with their presence on my podcast back in the day. That was one of the things, the commonalities amongst all of them. You know, some of them found that space and meditation others, you know, have like this beautiful mind scatterplot on their whiteboard wall in their office, others,

Jaclyn Steele: 21:29

I've got two of them right here.

Unknown: 21:32

Other others are just, you know, you know, running up and down the canal for, you know, 60 minutes or whatever. And just the, the the catharsis that comes with steady state, anything, you know, so there's a million, there's a million ways to skin that cat. And, you know, you have to go through a certain amount of self exploration, you know, trying trying at all, to figure out what works best for you. For me, I'm moving all day long. So I cherish stillness. You know, when the kids when the kids wake up early, I call it quiet time. And I don't I don't abandon it. I'm very dogmatic in this practice, in that, if I haven't gotten what I you know, I only give myself two hours. So that that's it no more, no less. But if I'm in that space, not my wife, not my kids, not my business can interrupt that. I won't allow it because I know what the consequences are. If I comprehensive

Jaclyn Steele: 22:47

Yeah, you won't be the most you. Right? And to be my Glanders requires a lot of energy. So I've been told, Oh, definitely, definitely. Okay, so I love that. And I love I love that you talked about David Goggins, because when I think of you, I definitely put you in that camp. However, this is a difference that I see in you. And obviously, I don't know David Goggins personally. But I see more balance in you, between the masculine and the feminine. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like for as rough and tough as you are, I mean, you're in a CrossFit gym, you played football with my husband. That's how we know each other through the Air Force Academy. You are a Marine, I mean, you're kind of like, as tough as it gets yet. I don't feel like you have any shame around the feminine side and talking about deep issues or emotions, or those things that would classically be labeled as feminine. So as a man, how is it that you are this way? Oh, man. I know, that's a big question. But I know,

Unknown: 24:07

it is a big question. So it's always important to know question,

Jaclyn Steele: 24:11

especially for you because you are so on the outside masculine. Yeah.

Unknown: 24:17

God got great question. So in a word, introspection that morning time, but I'll tell you a couple of stories here real quick. My dad self made, ran away from home when he was 13. Uncle Sam paid for his education. And he went to Vietnam. retired after 20 years of honorable service was a private practice criminal defense attorney. And just a hard man. And I'll never forget the first time I saw him cry. He was very reluctant. And, gosh, as I replay that moment, in my mind, I'm almost embarrassed. You know, to finally let it go. And there was a lesson there for me in that whatever he was hanging on to, he'd been hanging on to it for a really, really, really long time. And, you know, so that what I picked up from that, maybe not necessarily an application just yet, but in terms of consequence, this this is what it looks like when the the bottle spills over.

Jaclyn Steele: 25:57

And it's been picked On top of while Yeah,

Unknown: 25:59

yeah, and and where that had. And that's a piece in the putting the pieces together connecting the dots retrospectively in that one episode of tears that used to manifest in, in anger he was that was very hair trigger volatile in his expression of frustration and anger. Now when I got kicked out of school when I had to make that phone call home, I remember my mom picked up the phone. And I said, hey, they're letting me go. And I was completely fine. Just like I'm talking to you right now. very matter of fact, hey, this is where the chips fell. I'm coming home. She's okay. Let me let me get you on the phone with you dad. And my dad had these like Jedi mind tricks that he would play, you would never know. When, when, when the flip when the switch would flip.

Jaclyn Steele: 27:01

I relate to that.

Unknown: 27:03

I know for sure I'm gonna get my ass kicked for that. And he'd be like, have a seat seven, let's talk about it. And then I'd be like, Oh, this isn't such a big deal. And all of a sudden, I'm bent over getting the belt. I'm like, What the? What the hell. So I get on the phone with him. And I'm totally expecting the, you know, I can't believe you fucked up this opportunity speech. Ah, and what I got was like, he was just dad. And it messed me up on such a level that like, you know, as where I was able to hold it together and talk to my mom, like I'm talking to you. I just completely lost it broke down bawling. And it was such a relief, not release relief for me to have that experience with him. You know, I was like, Okay, this is something inside me just, I gave myself permission to simply feel what I needed to feel. Because between my mom and my dad, I'm sitting there trying to hold it together with my mom, and couldn't hold it together with my dad. And if I could do it, if I could have that moment back, I would have just lost my shit with my mom. And just let it carry over to the conversation with my dad. And then when he passed in 2007 I just I at that point. I just reconciled with myself that all of these all these fit things, the divine masculine to divine mass, feminine. I didn't have terms for these things yet. But like they were all okay. And I will never ever, ever, ever forget going to the movies with Nicole. And we went see the judge with Robert Downey Jr, Robert Duvall. And there's just there's a scene in that movie, where they have this this argument in the kitchen. And he's so Robert Downey Jr. is the son. And he's so pissed at how hard his dad was on him and his dad's like, and look where you are now. I don't know why you're so angry when you should do telling me thank you. And I remember having that moment with my dad. And I just rumbled in theater, like snot, just you know. blubbering tears and the cold side we like barely know each other yet. We are on the table. We are dating, you know what I mean? And like she just you know, does does the thing where you like, creep your fingers over. She leans over, she's like Oh, okay. I gave every dude in theater permission to deal with their daddy issues. And

Jaclyn Steele: 30:38

um, there's such a difference. There's such a difference. And I would be remiss if I didn't say this, between permission for women and young girls to express their emotions. Yeah. And that lack of permission for young boys and men to express their emotions.

Unknown: 30:57

So Lay a double standard and, and I will tell you because I have a son and a daughter I think where the message gets lost as I'm like, very. I just live in this existence of just hyper awareness. Mm, where there's a difference between allowing your child to express emotion and needing to get over some shit. And it's, it's not. It's not always one or the other. Sure. You know, so I'm very choosy specifically with my son. And when I tell him to stop crying and get over it, for example, we're playing. He had his Ice Cream Sandwich after dinner the other night. And he's like, Dad, this is this literally just happened. I'm not making this up. My son is six years old. And he's like, Dad, what's 900? Minus 201? I was like, that's 699 son. He's like, No, I was like, oh, it's not. He's like, No, it's 799. I'm like, Okay. And I walked backwards. I did the I did it. I reverse engineered back to 900. And he's like, No, it's 799. I was like, Okay, what, what do you what do you care to wait you? He's like, buy ice cream sandwich. Okay, okay. Deal. Go ask Alexa. What 900 minus 201? Is? Are you sure? He's like, Dad? You're gonna lose? I just I know. It's the right answer. Okay. He goes over there. Alexa was 900 minus 201. Alexa, oh, the answer is based on Wikipedia or whatever. Is 699 I snatched that Ice Cream Sandwich off the table and shoved the whole thing in my mouth. And he starts bawling. And I'm like, No, dude. Absolutely not.

Jaclyn Steele: 33:10

Yeah, you gave him every chance. You made

Unknown: 33:13

this bed. You took the bait. You rolled the dice and you lost you don't get to cry about it. These are the facts of life. Conversely, when you know he takes an L and sports after giving maximal effort, and it still doesn't go his way. I'm like, hey, hey, man. Feel what you need to feel like this is this. This is good. Right? And then I'm always I'm always about the lesson not the loss. What? What did we learn today? What did we learn? Where can we improve? You know, and I have a very productive, convert as productive a conversation as possible. conversation with him, and while allowing him to express himself. Right. So you know, so with within the, you know, by my son, those are the two examples I would give you as to like, hey, yeah, toughed it out, and hey, dude, totally cool.

Jaclyn Steele: 34:20

Let it out. Yeah. Well, and there needs to be that delineation. I don't remember where I heard it recently. But it was it was somebody talking about how the younger generations now are being raised to have zero resilience. Yeah. And it is, it is so sad. And I've seen it, everything is upsetting. Everything is offensive. Everything is I'm gonna have to quit that job because so and so spoke to me, X, Y, and Z. And while I feel like I'm very much in my divine feminine, much of the time, I also very much have a divine masculine side where I say, I have a son, I want him to be in touch with his feelings. I want him to treat people well. And I want my son to be strong and resilient, and not be, you know, swaying with the wind, depending on how our culture is shifting. I want him to have a moral compass that is extremely strong. Sure. And it requires conversations like that where sometimes we do have to say, Hey, you gotta get over this one. Yeah. And then there are other times where it's appropriate to say hey, why don't we sit down have a hot chocolate and hash this out?

Unknown: 35:40

No, 100%

Jaclyn Steele: 35:47

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Unknown: 42:20

Now, I would say that there's the false narrative that exists right now is that one, humanity exists outside the food chain. And if you want to dive into this, I'm totally game. But number two, the the the other observation that I see that I've made, is that if you're not careful, it's really easy to convince yourself that life to this point, whatever that means, has been hard. And if you're not intentionally, what I what I call it, if you're not going after intentional adversity, you can't say that with absolution. Right?

Jaclyn Steele: 43:08

And you're not gonna grow? No, we're gonna grow. If you don't do that

Unknown: 43:14

48 hours of the recording of this podcast, I will be in Africa, walking up Kilimanjaro, a couple of buddies of mine that I deployed with 10 years ago. And you know, but what are the other reoccurring themes in those that I admire as leaders and mentors, is they seek intentional adversity. That doesn't mean that doesn't mean that you have to go out of your way to make shit hard. Sure, what it does mean is you have your you are consciously going out of your way to find opportunities to grow.

Jaclyn Steele: 43:54

And it's going to be uncomfortable. There's no way around it.

Unknown: 43:57

That's the physical part. The psychological part is going out of your way and seeking circumstances and scenarios where you're proven wrong.

Jaclyn Steele: 44:07

Oh, yeah. And that was tough on the ego,

Unknown: 44:11

that I would argue is more challenging than climbing a fucking mountain.

Jaclyn Steele: 44:16

I agree with you there.

Unknown: 44:18

Because you're asking yourself to abandon a belief system, potentially. And when you put the mind in harm's way, the body becomes irrelevant. Yeah. Right. So, you know, where, where are the instances where I can be proven wrong? Where Where does my where's my belief system challenged? Where can I get that exposure? Right. And, and where can I prove to myself Where can I develop resilience and create a higher self efficacy through the the overcoming of a physical challenge, just simply just simply proving to myself that I'm capable, right? And what I observe in society now, by enlarge, those opportunities are not being sought by the individual. So when those circumstances are impressed upon you, you're not equipped to deal with it. Ah,

Jaclyn Steele: 45:25

it makes perfect sense.

Unknown: 45:27

All people want it if I can use a sports analogy here. Everybody wants to everybody wants to play the game. Nobody wants to practice.

Jaclyn Steele: 45:35

Ah, yes.

Unknown: 45:38

And the best teams ever I ever played for practice was always harder than the fucking game. So what happened and all resilience is is having a previous experience to draw upon to get you through a moment. That's, that's resilience. But if you don't have that previous Experience, guess what? Yeah, you're, you're in the now.

Jaclyn Steele: 46:02

And it's gonna be really hard to have that resilience response.

Unknown: 46:05

And now you're fucked. Right? Because all you want to do is play the game. Everybody wants to be an entrepreneur, everybody wants to be famous. Everybody wants to play in the pros.

Jaclyn Steele: 46:16

But they don't want to do the work. Everybody

Unknown: 46:18

wants to play. Nobody wants to practice, practice is fucking hard. It's hard. It's monotonous. But it's necessary.

Jaclyn Steele: 46:33

And it allows us to enjoy the other aspects of our lives that much more. Yeah, were prepared.

Unknown: 46:40

It makes the winds worth it. And it makes Yeah. And it makes the losses more tolerable.

Jaclyn Steele: 46:46

Yeah, yeah. Oh, I think it definitely makes the losses more tolerable, because you realize, Hey, I've been putting my nose to the grindstone all this time. And now it's just a matter of time before that loss becomes a win.

Unknown: 47:00

Yeah. Well, I'm like, I don't I don't know anybody that went undefeated in life.

Jaclyn Steele: 47:05

No, I don't either. And in every book I read, it talks about the importance of failure. Pretty much every single book, especially when it comes to money and investing, people get so fearful, like, you're not going to win every investment. And we're not going to win everything we do at life. Yeah. So I want to talk to you about Kilimanjaro. Because this is so cool. And I know you talked about how your wife is so impressed at how you manifest these like massive things. So can you talk to us about manifestation? And how, how you're going to Kilimanjaro in two days?

Unknown: 47:40

I, man? Well, first of all, if you want manifestation to work, you can't put a timeline on it. I feel like anytime that oh, that's juicy. Anytime I put a timeline on my manifestation. It convoluted the process, the universe kind of stops working in your favor. Because you? I don't know what I don't know. Right, I have this tattoo that it's the one that I cherish the most that I'm the most proud of it says, I only got this far because of what I did not know. And when you put a timeline on your manifestation, what you don't know is how prepared you are or not prepared, you are for the thing that you're trying to manifest. Yeah. So you know, you might have to accumulate some skills, some education, some experience in order to bring this thing to fruition. That might that might show up in the in the form of a mentor. It might show up and taking your ass back to school for another four years. You don't? You don't know. Right? So Manifesting with the expectation of right now or tomorrow kind of puts you at risk for it not coming true.

Jaclyn Steele: 48:56

Well, and time isn't real to the universe. Yeah.

Unknown: 48:59

So that's, that's rule number one. Number two, I'm just a huge fan of taking life for a test drive. And, like, Nicole, Nicole and I this this is this is no shit. And one of the things that I'm always telling her is where we don't live in an existence of settling. No, so I don't believe in good enough for now. Right? Especially when it comes to like, physical shit cars and houses and stuff like that. What I do believe in is getting the one that you fucking want. Because it's the one because it's the one you want. You don't have to justify it to anybody but you. But the last thing you want to do is be like, Oh, this is what I can afford right now. So do

Jaclyn Steele: 49:47

well. And then that's an energy that spreads to the rest of your life. Well, this person is good enough for now. So I'll marry them. You know, it's a slippery slope.

Unknown: 49:56

And by making that concession, all you've done is stolen energy from that thing that you really want. Yeah. So just call it starting from zero. Right? So it took you you know, I don't know 25 years to get to this point to this decision point. And you're almost there, but you're not quite and you're like, fuck it. I'm tired. We'll just this this. This will do. Right? Well, you just set yourself back 25 years, that that's the way that's the way I view manifestation. So I'd rather I'd rather wait for the thing that I want.

Jaclyn Steele: 50:28

Same

Unknown: 50:29

then that pull the trigger on something that's like that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's number two. And then so like, you know, test drive that car that you can't afford right now. Make sure that you want it because the worst part would be to manifest that thing. Finally fucking get there and realize this isn't what you wanted in the first place. Yeah, right. Go walk into that house. You know, we did go we did Goldilocks and the Three Bears man. We walked into 6000 feet. We walked into Uh 1500 efficiencies. And we're like, this one's too big. This one's too small. This one's just right. You know. And then, you know, on our way to and fro like Tristan is practices and cameras, dance school and all that kind of good stuff. We just pop through these neighborhoods. And we're like, yeah. Do you like that one? Is that the style you like, you know. And we're constantly putting those pieces together. It's like a living, breathing vision board.

Jaclyn Steele: 51:24

Ah, I love and I love the concept of that Sam and I do the same thing. And it is it activates something in your brain and something in your heart to go, Hey, this is possible for me. Right? This is not this is not a wish this is not some far off dream. This is a possibility you'll hear is

Unknown: 51:42

that you will hear something crazy. Yeah, I don't think I've told you this story. This is going to be wild for you. So when I came home from Afghanistan, all roads pointed to leaving the Marine Corps and opening the gym. Right? Not long after I got home, one of the guys that I had deployed with without here in Scottsdale, and he's like, Dude, you need to come up here. I was stationed in Yuma was like, Dude, you need to come up to Scottsdale, we're gonna rip it up through old town. We're gonna have a good time. And we're going to reconnect it be good to see you stateside. Oh, my cool. So let's do that. I come up here. And this is 2000 this is the winter of 2010. I opened the gym in 2013. Okay, I'm not a Scottsdale native. I know nothing of this area, aside from the drinking holes at this point. Okay. I want to I want to make I want to make this very clear how unfamiliar I am with the territory. Just to bring some magnitude to this to this story. Okay, I've meet him in this parking lot. And he's got this beach cruiser waiting for me. And we just cruise bicycles through old town and get shipped based, right. Fast forward three years. Everything was up. We're ready to open this gym. I'm shopping real estate. Buying the place, sign the lease. I'm unloading. I'm cutting open boxes and building equipment. And it finally dawns on because it's it's dusk outside. And it's literally the exact same time of day that I pulled up and met my buddy in this parking lot. Right outside the gym. Oh my gosh, three years later. Oh my gosh. And I'm like,

Jaclyn Steele: 53:45

wow. Oh, shit. I've been here before. Yeah, absolutely have and it was like the universe planting a seed.

Unknown: 53:55

Hmm. Hey, go check it out. See if you like it. Ah, and here we are, you know, completely random. Cool, not random but not

Jaclyn Steele: 54:04

rent. Well, I have I have a story to go with yours. When Sam and I decided we were going to move to Scottsdale. We looked at so many apartments, so many townhomes, so many houses, everything was like flying out like hotcakes. Like you'd put in a rental application. And before you hit submit, it was already taken right. I found this house where we are. And I was like it's probably going to be taken but I'm going to put my hat in the ring. We ended up getting it. It's one block from your gym. And Sam immediately was like, Oh my gosh, this is this is my friends, Jim. And you guys, you and Nicole, you are the reason we plugged in to Scottsdale so quickly. You introduced us to some of the most incredible people, you have taken us to cool places. You know, we've continued to build and build and build and build based on the introduction that you guys gave us. So there were all these closed doors all over Phoenix and Scottsdale for Sam and I, so to speak. Yeah. And then this one ended up being the exact door that we needed to be in in the perfect location. And oh, my gosh, yeah. It's wild, right. It's so wild. And I think I've thanked you for that in person. But yes, I want to thank you publicly too, for just being so welcoming. I don't know that I've ever moved to a place and had such a warm welcome like the welcome you and Nicole gave us.

Unknown: 55:41

I will tell you that it's been that's something I've just learned through go through good people. I've been blessed that way. You know, I know what it is. You know, growing up a military brat does show up someplace ice cold, right? And not know anybody and start from scratch. But I know upon my exit from the Marine Corps, I knew one person here, she helped me find my first apartment. And introduce me to just just a handful of people told me where I needed to go to find an opportunity and training. And just just leveraged that, that nudge to, to the maximum. And, you know, so now, like, having been the AVID been the beneficiary of that kindness. It's like, when somebody shows up here, it's like, what do you do? What do you need? Who can I introduce you to to help? You know, like, that's, you know, one of the things that I have now, just I'm just very aware of is human capital.

Jaclyn Steele: 57:07

very particular gift for that you really do.

Unknown: 57:11

You're very much a connector that way. And, you know, I would say that one of the things that the skill sets that I've definitely taken a genuine interest in curating over the years has been matching energy.

Jaclyn Steele: 57:29

Do it like a symphony director,

Unknown: 57:32

where most people are like, they get weird about mixing their circles, I'm like, Nah, man, fuck that. I want to see

Jaclyn Steele: 57:38

it all mixed in, like a cocktail. Yeah,

Unknown: 57:41

you know, if you if you look at that, that the dynamic that exists in the, in the Leaders Forum, and how, you know, all of those walks of life come together, and, you know, where, you know, in certain areas of life, that'd be disagreement and conflict, like, all of that is, goes by the wayside in support of this bigger vision, right, of overcoming this one issue above the rest. And, you know, so that, that, that's something that I'm very, in tune with, and I and I protect that. Very, very much so. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's my gift to those I love and care about. So I Okay, we're here now. Like, let's, let's, let's max this, you know, if I, if I can contribute to enhancing your life, then I want to do that.

Jaclyn Steele: 58:43

Well, speaking of which, I mean, there are, it's almost been an hour already. There are like 1000 more things I want to talk to you about. But speaking of what you just talked on, I know

Unknown: 58:57

if you want to keep going I can because the rest of my afternoon just freed up. Oh, it did. Yeah.

Jaclyn Steele: 59:03

I mean, then great. I haven't till four. So I've got I've got longer.

Unknown: 59:08

Me too. Okay, perfect.

Jaclyn Steele: 59:11

But this is the perfect segue. I have personal experience being coached by you being in the Leaders Forum. Yeah. And I know from my experience, how you show up, and uh, you're really unique in this respect, because I've had other coaches. I've been coached you, though, show up with such a high vibrational energy. And it's not just that you're high energy like, Hey, how you doing? It is like a very clear headed high vibrational energy. And I know that you just opened up a huge online program that people can have access to you. So let's talk about this. Can you give us an overview of what this is about? Because I know that you're serving so many people in the highest capacity. This is not like a regular coaching program, though. I'm sure there are many wonderful coaching programs. This is truly next level and I know that because I know you.

Unknown: 1:00:16

Yeah, yeah. So the we just recently launched the path to progress always. And I'm really, really proud of this initiative. The backstory here I had the brick and mortar gym, I have the brick and mortar gym. I have our leaders forum, which, you know, if I was going to wander it down would be our mastermind equivalent. You know, remote personal training. I wrote a best selling book, I had a podcast. And all of those things at one point were competing for energy.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:00:51

I love this story. Because I still relate to it.

Unknown: 1:00:55

And when the when the pandemic happened Like I was really stuck, I was I had this the shotgun blast of awesome. And I was slowly but surely becoming a mile wide and an inch deep. Where, oh, because they were all competing for my energy where they were supposed to be, you know, serving each other. They were competing against each other. Which sucks when they're all dependent on

Jaclyn Steele: 1:01:30

me. Yeah, it leaves the person feeling very frayed.

Unknown: 1:01:34

So, you know, like, I can't, I can't take calculated risks here, I can't invest in the podcast there, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, like, I don't have the availability for this amazing guests. And, you know, whatever. Somebody wants me to go promote the book, I can't, you know, like all I just I had all these restrictions placed upon me by these other awesome efforts. So when the the pandemic happened, and good old Governor Ducey decided that gyms were the problem, and they shut us down. It afforded the blessing here gave me a gate allowed me to get 30,000 feet above it all. And realize, holy shit, this is how they don't they don't stand side by side, they stack on top of each other. You know, one of the things that I'm always talking about energetically is and why fitness is the foundation of everything is when we take care of our we manage our physical practice consistently, we improve our emotional state, which enhances our mental clarity, which is the allows us to show up at our highest vibration is the best version of ourselves, right? And then that's in that similar vein, it was like, oh, wait a minute, fitness is the foundation of it fitness is the foundation for all of that, then if we can facilitate this 360 lifestyle reintegration, that we're going to be able to help leaders serve better. And what became possible, the problem that we solved was the issue of time and priority. We're dealing with a specific group of people that have crazy work capacity, have incredible missions that serve cosmic visions. And yet somehow, some way in the accomplishment in the achievement of all of that, they've left themselves behind. And I was like, this is the mission. And this is how we're going to do it. Because we had enough people during what I call the Great Migration, when everybody was like trying out all these Airbnbs. And like living on the road and doing that whole thing. We had a bunch of people come through and either participate and engage in the next level experience in totality, or in a piece of it for a short while, and then they go off somewhere else settle wherever, and they're like, Man, how do I get that here? And where I was so reluctant to lean into the digital space. I was like, I had to ask myself the question. This is an opportunity for growth.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:04:57

Yeah. Where does this reluctance come from?

Unknown: 1:04:59

Why Why? Why am I scared? Right, which kind of leads into my buffo experience?

Jaclyn Steele: 1:05:07

Ah,

Unknown: 1:05:08

I see what you did there. I'll finish this story, then we can talk about that. I. So I started doing my homework and talk about manifestation. We were able to build this platform that allows us to where you would have to outsource three to four different coaches

Jaclyn Steele: 1:05:33

easily.

Unknown: 1:05:35

You're able to who don't talk to each other. So what you're getting from the mindset coach might conflict with your acceptable reality that might be in conflict with what's being prescribed you on the fitness end, which might be compromised by what the nutrition coach is telling you, ah, and so on and so forth.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:05:58

Our approach is holistic. It's the whole person mind.

Unknown: 1:06:01

It's all stages. All phases. Yeah, yeah. And now we're able to have one voice, one mission, one coach to facilitate that entire lifestyle realignment. And it starts with helping these individuals, right, you know, coming back to the very beginning of this conversation, like self care is not selfish. And in order for in order for you to serve at a higher capacity, you got to make sure your fucking cup is full. And the only way you're able to do that, like I said, it doesn't matter if it's four o'clock in the morning, four in the afternoon, or fucking midnight, right, you have to have that time for you. And the lowest hanging tangible fruit shows up in your physical practice. Because there's so much catharsis, there's so much clarity, that shows up as a result in the immediate aftermath of whatever your physical practices that you've the euphoria that shows up, when you find your zen in yoga, the the, the, the sudden clarity that you experienced at the end of a really challenging workout. You know,

Jaclyn Steele: 1:07:28

the pride when you do something you haven't done before, physically,

Unknown: 1:07:31

the confidence you walk out of the fucking gym with, like, I just did that you carry that the rest of the day,

Jaclyn Steele: 1:07:38

you're gonna feel like that big time at the top of Kilimanjaro.

Unknown: 1:07:42

You know? Like, that's, that's the intentional adversity. I don't I don't really know how else to characterize it. Because to, to mask it as something not challenging. Like, if it wasn't challenging, you'd be doing it. Yeah. Right. So what we're now able to do is facilitate this, this hot this conversation at the highest level, and really address not only making the vessel healthier, enhance metabolism, for a lot of people just like shifting their hormone profile by getting them to eat better drink more water and recover, as has been monumental for these folks. And nevermind, the nutrition and fitness aspect of things. Right. And beyond that, when when you're working with us, we're able to also dive into that mindset piece. What what where does that blind spot come from? Why do you have that limiting belief? Right? What? Like, why do you feel as successful as you are like, You're a fucking failure?

Jaclyn Steele: 1:08:58

Like, your craziest? Yeah,

Unknown: 1:09:01

most perceptions reality don't match? Yeah, right. Yeah, when you're able to help replace that limiting belief with an empowering one, right to replace that. That in that inhibiting habit and behavior with something that is productive and positive, right? When you're able to shift all of that, like the things that people have been able to do with us has been absolutely incredible. Not only that, we help them, you know, look better naked, get off their blood pressure medicine, you know, lower their cholesterol, do all of that stuff. But also, they're better husbands to their wives, they're better partners. They're better parents, they're better leaders. They're fucking happier. Right? Um, you know, in the Marines, we always, they always, they would always tell us that the suffering will continue until morale improves. And, like, that's, that's, that's not, that's not necessarily real. You know, but you've got, you know, you got to apply a little bit of pressure. If you ever want to see that diamond. You've got to prove to yourself that you are capable. If and you have to know, inside you that by virtue of making yourself a priority, everything else about your life is going to improve.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:10:37

Yeah. Ah, you know, it just came to me as a quote from Oprah. And she said something like, I'm not lucky. luck is when preparation meets opportunity. And what I hear you saying is you're creating prepared people in the best possible most high vibrational way so that they can go out and live the He's incredible lives.

Unknown: 1:11:01

Yeah, the the risks that you're willing to take the opportunities you're willing to go after increase exponentially when you feel capable.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:11:11

Oh, yeah. And when you know, you've got some support,

Unknown: 1:11:14

you know, you know, it's really interesting. You know, I love this example. So I had a guy I've been working with for almost a year now. And, like, understands the ABCs and one, two threes of business to the point that I, you know, from the outside looking in, it looks like he just prints money. He's got that part of it. He's got that part figured out. And I'm like, if you have all that, why, why the fuck? Are you still working? You know? Aren't you like just fumbling? Why aren't you? Why aren't you? You know, why aren't you on? Easy, easy street, just allowing your money to make you more money? Because I know, you know how to do that as well. He's a law I want to I want to leave on leave this to my children. No more, do you understand the difference between handing it off, and then inheriting it?

Jaclyn Steele: 1:12:15

Like, it's a huge difference.

Unknown: 1:12:17

You understand that right now, right here right now. You have one foot in the grave and the other on the banana peel. And if you don't start taking care of you, they're going to inherit it. You're not going to give it to them.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:12:31

Hmm.

Unknown: 1:12:35

And I hate to use the word soul. But that that was that's what took him over the edge. Yeah. Because just as he was ready to tell me to go fuck myself is like, I also understand that you're, you're correct. And I'm not I'm not going to change this myself. And for that same reason, that's why I have a coach. That's that that's why I seek counsel. So I have somebody to tell me to help me course correct. And tell me what I'm fucking up and how I can improve. And, you know, for people that are seeking the highest levels of achievement, they also understand the nest the necessity for that investment. So by virtue of building the fittest leaders and helping them optimize the health by making themselves a priority, again, we are now creating, we're casting a broad net possible and by virtue of doing so, the next level impact is being felt. Almost worldwide. Not quite there yet. Yes. It'll be there. Yeah, it feels powerless, powerful, it's powerful. It's so

Jaclyn Steele: 1:13:54

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Unknown: 1:18:49

Yeah, so I will tell you, I've done psilocybin, I've had psilocybin experiences a number of times, I've obviously had this Bufo experience that we're going to talk about, and I will tell you that at least from how I integrate it in my practice and self development. But the integration is ongoing. It's nothing, I wouldn't say that anything is instantaneous. I'm I'm not particularly different immediately. After these experiences, however, coming back I'm able to manifest with more clarity. Okay, moving forward. Yeah. In the in the prolonged aftermath of these experiences, if that makes any sense.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:19:46

Oh, it makes perfect sense. So my slight adjustments that lead you to a totally different destinations,

Unknown: 1:19:53

The Slight Edge, right, so yeah. And my, my introduction to Bufo, I got a phone call. And this trail of events is fucking hilarious. So I got it, but I get a phone call from my brother. And he's like, dude, do you know about this toad? And I was like, what's it? He's like, you know, like, there's, there's this, there's this frog. And, you know, the, the the way for those of you who don't know boufal It's derived from the poison secreted by the Sonoran Toad crystallize, crystallized and then smoked, and it releases DMT it's a DMT experience. So if you know When I A Wasco, which takes hours to move through that journey, psilocybin is like, inhale and you're on the roller coaster. And I was like, No man, tell, tell me about the experience. And he's like, Dude, I went, I went cosmic. I went to the other side, I like I did. I did the dance of the boogeyman, and

Jaclyn Steele: 1:21:25

see where like, I'm in?

Unknown: 1:21:27

Well, I did some homework. And obviously, you know, I think that in terms of just, if you're intrigued, and you're not, you know, bound to the Science of Things, I think that Joe Rogan's a good resource for just exposure. So, you know, I kind of referenced his handful of his podcasts about the DMT experience. And I was like, anytime that ever use utilize these experiences, it's always been time, time and setting set and setting. So yeah,

Jaclyn Steele: 1:22:05

that is so important be being called

Unknown: 1:22:08

to it is really fucking important. I don't believe in using these. I don't believe in micro dosing, like, I feel like but man, I I've got very polarizing beliefs on micro dosing, because I feel there's, there's something that you're not dealing with, that requires you to microdose

Jaclyn Steele: 1:22:34

ah, ah,

Unknown: 1:22:36

and the, the dose isn't big enough for you to, to require you to deal with the thing. Whatever. That's

Jaclyn Steele: 1:22:49

an interesting, I've never thought about it like that, because I've only micro dosed. And the reason I've only microdose is because I I'm not like a such a lightweight. Hmm. And so I'm like, if I do the whole thing, am I just gonna fly off the edge? Well, when I have microdose, my, my experience was so profound and so positive. I didn't think I needed more.

Unknown: 1:23:19

Right? Does that make sense? Absolutely. 100%. And I don't disagree with you, I but I, I reference microdosing from the standpoint that my utilization of plant medicine has always been to deal with, expose a blind spot or deal with something that I can't really I can't necessarily figure out on my own. Gotcha, gotcha. But but it's mine to deal with.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:23:47

Yeah. Right. So you're, you're talking about intention there, which makes sense.

Unknown: 1:23:52

So, so my intention going into these experiences, I've exhausted all other avenues of approach. Oh, I've talked to the mentor. And for some reason, there was a block. I've talked to Nicole, for some reason there was a block. I'm, I'm not doing this thing that I know I need to do, but I don't know why I'm not doing it.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:24:18

That's so interesting that you say that, because I've never thought about it like that. I when I think about drugs in general, I always think about intention, like what is my intention to escape? Or is my intention to enter in? Yeah, and I will not do anything, not even drink a sip of wine. If I feel like my intention is to escape, because I don't want to get in that habit. Right? I want to use these substances to enter in. But I don't usually go in with a question which is kind of unlike me, I go in with a sense of curiosity, like okay, universe, what do you want me to tell me today? I'll bring up my journal and mine is very, like, open ended, but I've never thought about it. In dealing with a specific problem, you know, I've thought about ayahuasca, and I haven't done it but in respect to like, some childhood traumas that I would love to make sure I've moved past beyond the therapy that I've done. But I love this idea of coming in with like, a specific, something specific to overcome.

Unknown: 1:25:31

Yeah. So you know, I through six degrees of separation. I, I meet my facilitator, and as we're establishing this intention, again, there's I know that a blind spot exists, but I don't know what that blind spot is. I know that there's something in my mind that is holding me back. I just did I can't get in front of it, for whatever reason. So, and like I'm in one of those moments, one of those one of those periods of my life. So like it was, it was kind of serendipitous that, like, I'm being exposed to this Toad, right. And I said, I sit down with my facilitator and we're doing the thing, and he walked me the cotton like, it's like, weird. Give me this, this menu of how this experience could go. Right? On, on the one hand, he's like, Dude, you know, this is, I could just show you the door, you don't have to open it. No, not, you can just you can just see it. Right? I could allow you to open the door. But you don't even have to, you can just look inside, you don't have to step through it. Right. And there was like two or three other levels beyond that. And then at the far end, he was like, Dude, this is this is true ego death, we can cleanse your, we can cleanse your chakras. And you know, and this, this is what that looks like. And this is the story of I'm going to tell you so as the preparation goes on, we do the hot day and, and the cleansing and all that kind of good stuff. And what I come to in our attention setting was, I hold all of my tension in my throat.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:27:35

Same same. And what

Unknown: 1:27:38

we teased out was, I have this message that is now progress always,

Jaclyn Steele: 1:27:46

ah

Unknown: 1:27:48

keep your promises, honor your commitment, do the hard thing, make yourself proud. And I am terrified to stand up and proclaim it

Jaclyn Steele: 1:28:03

ah, I can I can relate to this on every level.

Unknown: 1:28:08

And I opt for some middle of the road thing. Right. And as the preparation goes on, it goes on and goes on. I have this and I do this to myself all the time. When I feel myself making a decision taking making the easy decision or settling. I coach myself in that like what I accept this from one of my clients, what I allow my son, my daughter, my wife to make this decision. And I felt safe, the intention was there. By set and setting it all it was all in alignment. So like, stop the train. Fuck that we're here. Let's play full out.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:29:09

Let's do ego death.

Unknown: 1:29:11

I want to do the chakra cleansing. Oh, so this is seven doses of buffo doses of active back to back to back to back. Each one is committed to a specific chakra starting at starting at the root and finishing at the crown at the crown. And in that he was like, okay, you've chosen the Warrior's Path. I was like, okay. That means he was like we do not what he said. He said, If you are not committed to finishing this process, let's not even start so you need to be in that was there enough? I mean, is that okay? And you like whatever you've heard about this experience, throw that shit out the window because your experience is your own. And like I didn't understand what the fuck that meant. Until we got to work. And I will in my journal here I've never read this out loud. So I'm excited to share this. Oh, I'm

Jaclyn Steele: 1:30:41

honored.

Unknown: 1:30:46

I died three times on March 7. And in my root chakra I purged I'm so fucking tired. My first death was acknowledgement of fear, ego surrender. I saw a lot of yellow. And I fell to the floor. Have you seen snatch?

Jaclyn Steele: 1:31:14

Yeah, but not in a long time. Okay. You remember

Unknown: 1:31:17

the scene where Brad Pitt's and the bare knuckle boxing match. And the dude hit some of the upper cut, it fades to black and white and he splashes into the pool.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:31:27

Ah, I don't, but I can visualize it.

Unknown: 1:31:31

That's what the fuck it felt like, I laid back and I fell like through the floor into the ether. And I remember very specifically telling that facilitator as I do not fucking die. And he said, Whatever you think it's supposed to be? Stop and surrender. And when I let go, and I just allowed it, I just relax and let it happen it got it got easier. I when I came out of it, I remember saying out loud again. I was like, Dude, I don't know if I could do this six more times.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:32:27

I can imagine.

Unknown: 1:32:30

And but, you know, he was very he was very giving in his ability to hold space for me because typically this this journaling process isn't part of the ceremony. But I asked him very specifically, before we get started, I was like, am I will I have time to capture this progression? And he let me do let me do it. So moving on from the root chakra, he was like, dude, alright, man, like, it's time to go. We got to keep this train moving. So Okay. Second dose, my Sacral Chakra emotionally confused. Out. Was I laughing or crying? I don't know. And then honestly, brave. My second death. And here I saw a lot of orange. And I remember as I'm purging and on my way out of it. We were I could not tell if I was laughing or crying. But I could not I literally could not discern which was which. And it was it was it was a faster experience where we get into my solar plexus chakra. This is where I experience pure bliss. It was easy. I was beyond happy joy, beauty. I fell out of my physical body tension was gone. I felt like Gumby. And I remember laying on the floor eyes closed in that moment. And as I'm as I'm as I'm coming back into my body and into the room, like I told him, I said hold on let me have this because I don't know when I'm ever going to feel this again. And then that not know, I tried to hang on to it for as long as I could. And he explained to me in in I'm paraphrasing here he's like, part of your journey is the exercise of letting go.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:35:11

Oh yeah, that's a juicy nugget.

Unknown: 1:35:16

So we move on to my heart chakra. This is round four. Truth harmony, my path is true. My message is pure and my role is just and I felt love and that that was that was really interesting to me because we haven't even got to like from an intentional intention standpoint Why the fuck I'm even having this experience in the first place. And what it really identified what it eliminated for me was fucking imposter syndrome and I validated for myself that I was enough and that I can deliver this message confidently and competently and have the intended and desired impact on those that I'm able to influence.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:36:15

Mm hmm. That's some self worth. And you do.

Unknown: 1:36:21

Yeah. So I'm like, like, in that moment, I was like, Dude, we could stop, like, I'm good.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:36:30

Well, this is a really important, like thread that I want to pull right here is that self worth is an inside job. And I think we're so many of us get caught up. And I'm one of them. Sure, I love words of affirmation, like that is my love language. But if I base my self worth on what others think of me, or I'm waiting for them to tell me what they think of me, my self worth is never going to be solid, ever. It has to be based in my own internal foundation and in my own internal belief system.

Unknown: 1:37:09

What I represent, yeah. So then we move into my throat chakra, and this is can't wait for this one. This this is where it all lives, right. My third death, I cried. I was angry. What kept coming to me if it was a mantra for this particular chakra was say it out loud. spread my message, they need to hear it be the hero so I can be the guide. And like I had to sit with that for really like comparatively speaking, you know for a really long time. And I really explore that for myself because it fucked me up.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:37:59

What about it that

Unknown: 1:38:02

it was the the other side of impostor syndrome that is, you know, the the exploration as to whether or not you're living in your truth. Right? And this this line here, be the hero so that you can be the guide. You have to you have to walk through that fire first. And you can't you know, if you if you're if you're familiar with the hero's journey, right? That's, that's the evolution. You know, Luke finds Obi Wan, and then Luke becomes Obi Wan. Right? So, but you can't avoid the fire. Right. So now that we in my heart chakra, we disproved my imposter syndrome. Now it's like now go into the fire. Go go be the hero here's your permission. Do go be fucking crazy. And spread this message. And and do it without fear.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:39:21

Oh, that is huge.

Unknown: 1:39:26

So then we move on to my third eye and stop stop me at any point. So

Jaclyn Steele: 1:39:31

no, I want to hear

Unknown: 1:39:33

there is just wipe that seat that scene in The Matrix. He takes the bill and then like it's just the white room. Right? Blank Slate, clarity. Starting from fucking scratch like anything that could have gone wrong in the past no longer exists. Like it's only forward from this moment. Now my crown chakra this ship is where it gets just block wild and I feel like this is this is the one that most people would associate with a psychedelic journey. Okay. In my crown chakra, I saw the rainbow the kaleidoscope the mandala on the wall started doing this shit. And the way I describe this seventh and final experience was like being blackbuck, by God. I became one with the universe. I melted I crashed amongst the stars, Kaleidoscope freedom. And I go on to write I died three times on March 7 2021. I found fear I found love I found courage I found true When I stepped into my light, I left this world and became one with the universe. I became the hero of my own journey. I fell through the floor and into the void. I experienced pure bliss. I stepped into my integrity, I found Michael. We cleanse my chakras and revealed layers of myself I did not know existed. It was the ultimate exercise of surrender.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:41:30

The ultimate exercise of surrender, how what I find so profound about what you just said, is, from an outsider's perspective, from my perspective, it appears like this experience allowed your ego self to get out of your Higher Selves way, huh? And how often we as humans walking on this dense Earth. We just constantly get in our own way. Oh, yeah. Yep. Also, correct me if I'm wrong. Did you like vomit and get like literal substance out of your body to Yeah, I totally purged

Unknown: 1:42:18

I purged in the first and second doses. And it was I've been dealing with like some really nasty gut stuff. Yeah, some some symptoms of asthma and things of that nature. And people experienced this in Iowa pasta ceremony as well as like this really aggressive process of purging. So it's, it's, it's every level is physical, it's emotional. It's mental. It's, it's, it's spiritual. But on the physical, and if you look at for something tangible, like there's like black guck, that was like, coming out of me, you know, that was that was puking into this bucket. And

Jaclyn Steele: 1:43:10

it's like a purification? Well, I'm what I think about too, is, you know, in our modern world, while there are so many wonderful things, there's also a lot of toxic activity happening at any moment in our air and our food systems in our dirt in our water. Right. And I like this idea that as we get to the next level, still your term on a frequency scale, like when we are jumping frequencies and up leveling our lives, there is a purification process that has to take place, and a shedding of layers that has to take place because they will not survive that next level of frequency.

Unknown: 1:43:55

Right? Well, your armor becomes your anchor. Yeah. You know, I'm a huge fan of, you know, what got you here won't get you there. You know, the things, the behaviors, the habits that once served you, after a certain point, they don't become the things that inhibit you. Yeah, and, you know, we're gonna write that down. Because

Jaclyn Steele: 1:44:22

I've never said that out loud before that's that, please do write that down. Because that's a really good one,

Unknown: 1:44:26

your armor becomes your anchor. Yeah. And, you know, so you have to, you have to let go of some shit to make room for the for the new stuff, you know,

Jaclyn Steele: 1:44:44

literally and figuratively,

Unknown: 1:44:47

when I just had a conversation with a client today, you know, with regards to how this pertains to relationships, and, you know, all they want to do is save this person from themselves. And what I had to express to him was, you can love this person, all the same. That does not mean that you need to play an active role in their life, nor do they need to play one in yours. Going back, going back to asking that question, am I serving you? Are you serving me? And the answer to either of those questions is no. You need to make the necessary changes. And in this case, the necessary changes letting this person get off the fucking bus. Yeah.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:45:41

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay, so we talked about self care. We talked a little bit about Kilimanjaro. I do want to hear more when you get back. Yeah. We talked about editing the circle. We talked about your Amazing coaching program. We talked about your Bufo experience. Yeah. For the listeners that I have on my podcast who are so committed to increasing their level of self worth, as an incredible coach yourself, what would be one piece of advice, or one action step that they could take today?

Unknown: 1:46:25

Oh, good question. Just one, huh?

Jaclyn Steele: 1:46:29

Just your favorite if you have to.

Unknown: 1:46:33

I'll tell you, the, the active practice at the end of every session is the identification of the next easiest step. And if there's one thing that you can put into practice right here, right now, that will really shift behaviors, and it's been extremely successful. For my clients and their integration of this realignment of their lives. It's you have to put a gap between trigger and response. And the gap, the gap is, comes in the form of a question. Is this next decision in alignment with who I desired to become? If the answer is no, choose something different.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:47:24

That is such a powerful question. Such a powerful question. Oh, my gosh, Michael, everybody's gonna want to get to get to know you more. So where can they find you online?

Unknown: 1:47:36

You guys can find me on Instagram at coach Ders. And I invite all of you if this is the message that you need beyond this podcast, I invite you into our leaders forum on Facebook. So find me on Facebook, I'm really easy to find. And we can get you to that group so that you can get your daily dose of ders in there.

Jaclyn Steele: 1:48:00

Oh, that's a perfect little hashtag daily dose of yours. And I'll link everything in the podcast show notes to absolutely thank you so much for your time and for being such a light and beacon of wisdom.

Unknown: 1:48:11

I'm honored. Oh, well. I

Jaclyn Steele: 1:48:13

look forward to doing it again soon.

Unknown: 1:48:15

We will for sure. Okay.